Comments on: Contacts on Maemo http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/ Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:19:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: OpenMitko http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-1996 OpenMitko Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:57:38 +0000 http://blog.barisione.org/?p=197#comment-1996 Phenomenal job, Barisione. (bow) Phenomenal job, Barisione. (bow)

]]> By: Marius Gedminas http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-1992 Marius Gedminas Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:33:33 +0000 http://blog.barisione.org/?p=197#comment-1992 A very nice piece of work. I remember reading about it when Telepathy was first announced and thinking "meh". Now I see the end result possible with it and am very impressed by it. Sweet! A very nice piece of work. I remember reading about it when Telepathy was first announced and thinking “meh”. Now I see the end result possible with it and am very impressed by it. Sweet!

]]> By: barisione http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-1991 barisione Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:59:01 +0000 http://blog.barisione.org/?p=197#comment-1991 By the way, I'm really not interested on this kind of discussion on my blog as this never end up in anything useful. I would like if it could just stop... By the way, I’m really not interested on this kind of discussion on my blog as this never end up in anything useful. I would like if it could just stop…

]]> By: barisione http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-1990 barisione Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:57:35 +0000 http://blog.barisione.org/?p=197#comment-1990 @korbé: Nokia is not perfect, but it's a huge closed source company that started doing open source and to do this hired/subcontracted a lot of free software developers. As a result of this more and more people inside Nokia seem to be aware of what free software is and push to make Memo more and more open and free. @korbé:
Nokia is not perfect, but it’s a huge closed source company that started doing open source and to do this hired/subcontracted a lot of free software developers. As a result of this more and more people inside Nokia seem to be aware of what free software is and push to make Memo more and more open and free.

]]> By: korbé http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-1989 korbé Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:28:25 +0000 http://blog.barisione.org/?p=197#comment-1989 @ Mikael Hermansson: The Nokia will to keep its customers in some form of submission on always keeping proprietary software is more important for the World than the freedom of this "World"? Nokia make Open Source, not Free Software. And that's what I reproach them. (Well, they do what they want, but their current acted which I don't support them.) The problem is: - Proprietary software: Closing for the only benefit of those who make this software. - Open Source Software: Opening for the only benefit of those who make this software. If opening don't give benefit for who make this software, it's still closed. The only reason for this openness is the advantage of collaborative work. The respect of the freedom of users is absolutely not the intent of the Open Source. - Free (as freedom) Software: Opening for the benefit of all peapole. (Who make this software, users, community member, etc...). The reason for its existence is ethical and socially. The respect of the freedom of all peapole is the intent of the Free Software. Technical and financial advantage of collaborative work are what allows the Free software is possible. Defending the freedom of all people, as in free Software, is not a "fanaticism". Would you say than defenders of democracy, justice or freedom of expression are "fanatics" ? @ Mikael Hermansson: The Nokia will to keep its customers in some form of submission on always keeping proprietary software is more important for the World than the freedom of this “World”?
Nokia make Open Source, not Free Software. And that’s what I reproach them. (Well, they do what they want, but their current acted which I don’t support them.)
The problem is:
- Proprietary software: Closing for the only benefit of those who make this software.
- Open Source Software: Opening for the only benefit of those who make this software. If opening don’t give benefit for who make this software, it’s still closed. The only reason for this openness is the advantage of collaborative work. The respect of the freedom of users is absolutely not the intent of the Open Source.
- Free (as freedom) Software: Opening for the benefit of all peapole. (Who make this software, users, community member, etc…). The reason for its existence is ethical and socially. The respect of the freedom of all peapole is the intent of the Free Software. Technical and financial advantage of collaborative work are what allows the Free software is possible.

Defending the freedom of all people, as in free Software, is not a “fanaticism”. Would you say than defenders of democracy, justice or freedom of expression are “fanatics” ?

]]> By: Mikael Hermansson http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-1988 Mikael Hermansson Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:29:31 +0000 http://blog.barisione.org/?p=197#comment-1988 "I thought Maemo was an open platform? :(" Dont get this post wrong but: People must stop cry about "freedom" ofcourse I also want everything too be Open. But problem is this is NOT possible! Some of the reasons is hardware manufactors and also big software companies like Microsoft. So please dont start this war on the Maemo platform too I have seen this in Linux for years and I am very sick of some of the GPL fanatics out there. Infavt it stops the fun with open source. Think of this in a different way instead: Maemo is the most open platform soo far. So we should help support it and make great apps so it have a chance in the future to be a big, stable competitor too Winmobile and IPhone and Android. Nokia will for sure dump the idea too be more open if people will cry all the time. Dont forget the fact that there is four other OS out there that will compete with Maemo. So its up to the OSS people to make Maemo succe not only for geeks also for "normal people". Let us make quality apps for Maemo both open and halfclosed(nokia or similar companys) “I thought Maemo was an open platform? :(”

Dont get this post wrong but:

People must stop cry about “freedom” ofcourse I also want everything too be Open. But problem is this is NOT possible!

Some of the reasons is hardware manufactors and also big software companies like Microsoft. So please dont start this war on the Maemo platform too I have seen this in Linux for years and I am very sick of some of the GPL fanatics out there. Infavt it stops the fun with open source.

Think of this in a different way instead:

Maemo is the most open platform soo far. So we should help support it and make great apps so it have a chance in the future to be a big, stable competitor too Winmobile and IPhone and Android.

Nokia will for sure dump the idea too be more open if people will cry all the time.

Dont forget the fact that there is four other OS out there that will compete with Maemo. So its up to the OSS people to make Maemo succe not only for geeks also for “normal people”.

Let us make quality apps for Maemo both open and halfclosed(nokia or similar companys)

]]> By: korbé http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-1987 korbé Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:11:09 +0000 http://blog.barisione.org/?p=197#comment-1987 @ barisione: Good amalgam, it gives really want to continue the conversation. Now I use a hold Sony Ericsson. I bought long time ago, before I'm interested in IT (Information technologies). But I rarely use it: because it's not equipped with an 100% Free (as freedom) operating system and his SAR is too high. In the future? I have not decided yet. Either a FreeRunner of FIC, or a N900 when Mer can use on it. (But I hesitate even to the N900, because Nokia is for software patents and against Net Neutrality, the SAR is the N900 is still high and even with Mer, some drivers remain proprietary.) Mathias Hasselman says: "You also seriously underestimate the effort needed for changing a huge giant like Nokia. You also seriously underestimate the legal problems in mobile phone market: Regulation authorities all over the place with their funny rules. Competitor controlling trademarks on important services you want to support. Liability: Phones must not explode when being used." Ho, when a software become Free (as freedom) detonated the device that work with this software? If so, my home now as dangerous as a war zone. O_o (If you do not understand, this last sentence was ironic. I precise, because my English level is not very good) Now, Now, you explain better than some people on Talk.Maemo.org. There, if you have the misfortune to criticize acts of Nokia, you get insulted. And if you defend yourself with good arguments, either you are ignored, be the meaning of your arguments are diverted and then arguments diverted are criticized. Impossible to have a debate there. @ barisione: Good amalgam, it gives really want to continue the conversation.

Now I use a hold Sony Ericsson. I bought long time ago, before I’m interested in IT (Information technologies).
But I rarely use it: because it’s not equipped with an 100% Free (as freedom) operating system and his SAR is too high.

In the future? I have not decided yet. Either a FreeRunner of FIC, or a N900 when Mer can use on it. (But I hesitate even to the N900, because Nokia is for software patents and against Net Neutrality, the SAR is the N900 is still high and even with Mer, some drivers remain proprietary.)

Mathias Hasselman says:
“You also seriously underestimate the effort needed for changing a huge giant like Nokia. You also seriously underestimate the legal problems in mobile phone market: Regulation authorities all over the place with their funny rules. Competitor controlling trademarks on important services you want to support. Liability: Phones must not explode when being used.”

Ho, when a software become Free (as freedom) detonated the device that work with this software?
If so, my home now as dangerous as a war zone. O_o (If you do not understand, this last sentence was ironic. I precise, because my English level is not very good)

Now, Now, you explain better than some people on Talk.Maemo.org.
There, if you have the misfortune to criticize acts of Nokia, you get insulted. And if you defend yourself with good arguments, either you are ignored, be the meaning of your arguments are diverted and then arguments diverted are criticized.
Impossible to have a debate there.

]]> By: Mathias Hasselman http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-1986 Mathias Hasselman Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:30:16 +0000 http://blog.barisione.org/?p=197#comment-1986 @barisione: Indeed. Those are the most funny people. Complaining about devices not being open enough, and then take the most closed and DRM encumbered device man ever made. :-) @barisione: Indeed. Those are the most funny people. Complaining about devices not being open enough, and then take the most closed and DRM encumbered device man ever made. :-)

]]> By: Mathias Hasselman http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-1985 Mathias Hasselman Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:27:19 +0000 http://blog.barisione.org/?p=197#comment-1985 korbé: You do unjustice to the people at Nokia's Maemo department. Most people I've meet in that department are free software enthusiasts. You also seriously underestimate the effort needed for changing a huge giant like Nokia. You also seriously underestimate the legal problems in mobile phone market: Regulation authorities all over the place with their funny rules. Competitor controlling trademarks on important services you want to support. Liability: Phones must not explode when being used. No excuse for keeping libosso-abook closed. Like pointed out in the Maemo Wiki it simply is closed because it was started as closed source years ago. Lawyers created quite some barriers for opening such projects. The team simply decided to first implement the features and then to fight with lawyers and management. Maybe not the most idealistic, but definitely a reasonable decision when you have an ambitious schedule, high expectations, and finally also write that code for a living. Well, now the ball is rolling, let's see how management and lawyers decide. korbé: You do unjustice to the people at Nokia’s Maemo department. Most people I’ve meet in that department are free software enthusiasts.

You also seriously underestimate the effort needed for changing a huge giant like Nokia. You also seriously underestimate the legal problems in mobile phone market: Regulation authorities all over the place with their funny rules. Competitor controlling trademarks on important services you want to support. Liability: Phones must not explode when being used.

No excuse for keeping libosso-abook closed. Like pointed out in the Maemo Wiki it simply is closed because it was started as closed source years ago. Lawyers created quite some barriers for opening such projects. The team simply decided to first implement the features and then to fight with lawyers and management. Maybe not the most idealistic, but definitely a reasonable decision when you have an ambitious schedule, high expectations, and finally also write that code for a living.

Well, now the ball is rolling, let’s see how management and lawyers decide.

]]> By: barisione http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-1984 barisione Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:23:44 +0000 http://blog.barisione.org/?p=197#comment-1984 @korbé: Now and in the future. I heard lots of people saying the same and then ending up saying “so I use an iphone”. @korbé:
Now and in the future.
I heard lots of people saying the same and then ending up saying “so I use an iphone”.

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